Out of the Blues, Chapter 2, Part 3

 10. What can you personally, or for the sake of helping others, learn about overcoming depression from the Bible passages and examples used in these chapters?

It is necessary to retrain thought patterns in order to overcome depression.

11. Do you agree or disagree with the statement that some discouragement and disappointment is to be expected in this sinful world? Why?

I agree that some discouragement and disappointment is to be expected in this sinful world simply because it is a sinful world. We sin and others sin against us and those sins have consequences that affect not only the one who committed the sin but others around him/her.

12. How prone are you to constantly taking your emotional temperature and allowing your feelings to control your life? When have you done this? When have you deliberately not done this?

I have done and still do this often. Many decisions I make I am trying not to do this anymore, not to think at all about how I feel about doing something that I know God wants me to do, but instead to just doing it regardless of how I feel.

13. Why is being ruled or controlled by your feelings a dangerous practice?

Being ruled by your feelings is such a dangerous practice for many reasons:

1. our hearts are sinful and will lead us astray 
2. our feelings change
3. we will be completely unreliable and cause logistical problems everywhere
4. it is a completely selfish way to live

Out of the Blues, Chapter 2, Part 2

 5. What is the main point of the section in this chapter entitled, "Putting It All Together"?

Depression affects every area of one's life: physical, emotional, behavioral, cognitive, theological and historical. Each of these areas needs to be evaluated to correctly define the problem.

6. What did you learn about depression from learning and studying these chapters?

I learned that mild depression when not dealt with according to biblical principles can lead to moderate depression and moderate depression when not dealt with according to biblical principles can lead to severe depression. I hope to learn more about how to properly address my emotions so that they do not lead to further depression.

7. Which of the Bible passages or examples used in this chapter was most interesting or meaningful to you in understanding depression?

Elijah because I can relate with so much of how his experience especially as described by Krummacher:

• distracted by doubts
• his spirit was too afflicted for common society
• he went alone
• sank down under the load of his melancholy thoughts
• thick darkness
• perplexed
• doubts and distressing thoughts
• utter despair
• full of gloomy and painful thoughts
• painful conflicts and fruitless labors
• unable any longer to bear the burden of life
• O Lord, take away my life

8/9. Have you ever encountered/personally experienced any of the three types of depression? Yes, all three.

Describe how you were affected by your depression:

• physically--it is hard to get out of bed, to do even the most mundane tasks like washing the dishes, to exercise, to eat. The only thing that is easy to do is nap.
• emotionally--I cry for no reason and often inconsolably. I am easily angered or frustrated. I experience feelings of hopelessness, worthlessness, inability to do anything right, that I let people down, despair, loneliness, etc.
• behaviorally--I withdraw from church and church activities and even from my own family. I fail to keep appointments. I can't keep up with housework or laundry or cooking, basically I'm unable to manage the home in any way. 
• intellectually/cognitively--my brain becomes muddled and clouded, so that even planning basic family logistics is overwhelming. I forget things and can't focus to read anything.
• spiritually--it becomes so difficult to read my Bible and especially to pray, so difficult that I end up either praying the same thing over and over or just sob and weep before the Lord. Bible study becomes a chore rather than a joy. I feel that I have been abandoned by God and His people.
• historically--I have a habit of going through the mild-moderate-severe depression cycle to varying degrees. At times, with God's help, I may be able to resist the destructive thought patterns at the mild or moderate stage. but I have sadly experienced the severe depression many times also.

 

 

Out of the Blues Application Questions Chapter 2, Part 1

 1. What biblical examples were given of the third category of depression?

• the disciples after Jesus' death
• David (Psalm 32 and Psalm 38)
• Elijah (1 Kings 19)

2. What are some of the symptoms of this type of depression?

• utter hopelessness
• feels like it's impossible to keep going
• spirit of heaviness
• gloom
• small/easy tasks are overwhelming
• fatigue
• crying easily
• dwell on misery

3. What is meant by the statement that the third category of depression is one of the conditions with much halo data?

Halo data are physically observed signs and symptoms. This means that a severely depressed person displays many physical symptoms.

4. Describe the difference between Paul's experience in 2 Corinthians 4:6-9 and the third category of depression.

The person who is severely depressed is hopeless. In 2 Corinthians 4:6-9, Paul states that they are not:

• crushed
• despairing
• forsaken
• destroyed

Out of the Blues Application Questions Chapter 1, Part 2

 What biblical examples were given of the second category of depression?

The second category of depression is categorized as moderate depression. Mack provides biblical examples who fall into this category as a result from a wrong response to mild depression. Rather than acknowledging but not submitting to their feelings, these people submit to their feelings. Their focus becomes their circumstances and feelings and they look inward and horizontally rather than upward toward God. Some biblical examples are:

• Asaph writes in Psalm 73 that he came close to stumbling. He falls into this category because he came close but did not lose hope in the Lord.
• Jeremiah also experienced severe emotions but did not lose hope (Lamentations 3)
• The third example provided by Mack is the Psalmist in Psalms 42 and 43. The Psalmist describes being in despair, disturbed, mourning. However, the Psalmist did not give up entirely. He continued to trust in God.  

What are some symptoms of this type of depression?

Some symptoms of this type of depression are identified in the following quote from Mack:

...these people find that they begin to cry easily, become easily annoyed, experience longer periods of sadness, and have difficulty performing the normal activities of life. Their minds are set on the negative aspects of their life-earthly things-rather than on God's promises, purposes, and power-things above.

Out of the Blues: Application Questions from Chapter 1 Part 1

 After recording my initial thoughts about chapter 1 from Out of the Blues by Wayne Mack, I thought maybe it would be prudent to step back and take some time to carefully consider the application questions. 

1. How common is the problem of depression in society?

The answer to this question really depends on the definition of depression. Certainly, everyone at some point in time experiences feelings of sadness or anxiety or disappointment or difficulty concentrating. These are all symptoms of depression. Probably for many people, this is simply a response to circumstances and likely the majority of people currently being medicated for depression fall into this category. According to Mack's experience as a biblical counselor, depression can affect people of any age, any ethnicity, any economic status, even any educational background. Mack is very careful to point out that he is not addressing depression that is "physically or biologically induced."

2. What is meant by the statement that depression is truly a "democratic" disorder?

This statement indicates that depression affects people of any gender, age, ethnicity, economic status, social status, and educational background.

3. What are the three categories of depression?

The three categories are mild, moderate and severe. 

4. Why is the word "depression" described as a "catchall term"?

The word depression is used to describe a variety of emotional experiences ranging from sadness to utter despair, so depression is really a catchall term. When we say someone is depressed, it's not clear where that person falls along the spectrum of depression. Thus, it is helpful to think of the different categories of depression mentioned above.

5. What biblical examples were given of the first category of depression?

Jesus: Jesus came to earth as both man and God. In His humanity, He experienced feelings of sorrow and sadness. Scripture records times when Jesus experienced these emotions, when He learned of the death of John the Baptist, when followers left Him, when Mary wept at His feet after the death of Lazarus. Although Jesus experienced these feelings and emotions, He was not controlled by His emotions. He always followed the will of His Father in Heaven. Jesus said, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and  I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me. And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him." (John 8:28-29)

6. What are some symptoms of this kind of depression?

Some symptoms of this type of depression are discouragement, disappointment, and sadness.

7. What reasons were given to support the idea that there is nothing wrong with a Christian experiencing sorrow?

Mack points out that in Scripture we observe that a person may experience joy and sorrow at the same time. Some examples he provides are:

• Ecclesiastes 3:4: There is "a time to weep and a time to laugh."
• 1 Peter 1:6: "In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials."
• 1 Thessalonians 4:13: "But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope." 

My grief as a Christian should not be like that of the non-Christian. I may experience grief but I should never lose hope. I can always have hope in the coming of Jesus and the promised resurrection while experiencing the downs of life in a sinful world. I can and should always have joy in the midst of sorrow.

Is Depression a Sin Part 2

Wayne Mack in Out of the Blues labels the second form of depression as moderate depression. While mild depression is a sadness or sorrow in response to experiences and is common to all believers, moderate depression is due to a wrong response to mild depression. If a believer experiences mild depression yet does not submit to his feelings, the mild depression will not escalate to moderate depression. However, if a believer experiences mild depression and submits to his feelings, the mild depression will escalate to moderate depression. The person who experiences moderate depression focuses on their circumstances and their feelings rather than on God. Mack says, "People who do this are ruled by their spirits, neglect biblical responsibilities, lose hope, and find that they get less and less satisfaction from spiritual things." This person's mind is focused on the negative feelings and emotions rather than on God and His power and promises and purposes. Examples of this form of depression found in Scripture are Asaph in Psalm 73, Jeremiah in Lamentations, and the Psalmist in Psalms 42 and 43. 

I admit that I am this person. When something that I perceive as "bad" happens, it becomes the focus of my thoughts. Rather than focusing my thoughts upward to the Lord, they are focused on feelings of hurt, loneliness, worthlessness, anger, etc. It is hard to pray; it is hard to read the Bible; it is hard to go to church. I know that I should focus on the Lord, yet there is a such a strong pull to focus on my feelings. 

Some verses that apply here are:

Colossians 3:1-4

Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.

Philippians 4:8-9

Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

Romans 8:5-6

For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,

Is Depression a Sin

Is depression a sin? This is the question that has been nagging at my heart and mind lately. I intend to use this platform as a means to record personal reflections as I pursue the answer to this question. I am reading through the book Out of the Blues by Wayne Mack.

I believe the first thing to do is to define depression. Depression has a range of symptoms: sadness, anxiety, difficulty thinking clearly, lack of motivation, feelings of worthlessness. Although I became a Christian in 1998, I have struggled with this since a very early age and continue to struggle with this. I began taking antidepressants in 2002 and have been on them on and off since then. 

Dr. Mack begins by breaking depression down into three categories: mild depression, moderate depression and severe depression. Mild depression is sadness or disappointment about something. He even provides an example of Jesus experiencing sadness at the death of John the Baptist and at the grief of Mary and others at the death of Lazarus. This type of depression is a normal response to events that happen in our lives. It is right to grieve over the death of a loved one. Sadness in response to an experience is not wrong or sinful as long as we do not lose the hope we have that Jesus is coming again and we will be with Him forever. Some verses that shed light on this are:

Romans 12:15: Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.

Hebrews 12:11: All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful.

2 Corinthians 1:3-4: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

God has created us with emotions, including sadness and disappointment. Therefore, experiencing these feelings is not sinful. Jesus, who lived a perfect life, Himself experienced these feelings.